Are they the same as a Parson Russell Terrier, and it is just an interchangable name?
Is there is a difference between a “Jack Russell Terrier” and a “Parson Russell Terrier”?
The two are in fact the same breed. The only difference is the name and that is the only reason why their are now two distinct breed clubs.
The man responsible for this breed was the Reverend (Parson) John Russell.
The common short or nick name for John is “Jack” which is where the term Jack Russell Terrier came from. The original Parson John Russell Terrier stood between 10 and 15 inches. Came in 3 separate coats from smooth, wirehaired and coarse. These days the Parson has a preferred height limit of 14″ for males 13″ for females.
Far too many people are quick to claim there are two breeds but there is nothing outside of the name and the lawsuit regarding the name as the only reason for the breed to be split into 2 separate breeds when in fact they are the same breed.
Simply put, call it what you want but the actual breed name is Parson “John” Russell Terrier but referring to it as a JRT or Jack Russell Terrier is acceptable and in no way diminishes the breed.
AKC no longer recognizes the JRT Jack Russell Terrier but does recognize the Parson. For obvious reasons, such as giving credit to the man who actually created the breed such as referring to the Doberman Pinscher by the name of its creator.
The complaints all come from those who insist theirs is the real thing and not wanting to acknowledge that the other is also the real thing.
Fact is the groups need to get their acts together and give proper credit where it is due.
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February 4th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Not JRT, but Parson Russel Terrier yes. They have changed the breed name. Actually JRT and PRT are supposed to be the same dog with different breed names.
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February 4th, 2009 at 8:59 am
The AKC recognizes the Parson Russel Terrier:
http://www.akc.org/breeds/parson_russell_terrier/
It says that the breed originated from John Russel, so that is probably where the Jack came in.
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February 4th, 2009 at 9:21 am
I asked this a few days ago! Here’s a link to my answers:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AqgcD7yINKR55CPkM3wnUqvsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20081023081515AAMpTCM
hope I helped!
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February 4th, 2009 at 9:58 am
as far as breed recognition for showing and breeding purposes yes.
The Russell Terrier originated in England but was never recognized as an official breed in the UK. Australia is designated as country of development for the Russell Terrier. In Australia and Europe with the FCI countries the Russell Terrier is known as the Jack Russell Terrier. Due the conflicting use of the name by the Jack Russell Terrier Club of America “JRTCA” in the US the name can not be utilized for the Russell Terrier in the US. The AKC Russell Terrier is the same as the Australian FCI Jack Russell Terrier. The AKC Russell Terrier is not the same as the Jack Russell Terrier in the US and must be considered a distinctly separate breed due to the development of the “JRTCA” Jack Russell Terrier regardless of height. The “JRTCA” followed England’s recognition of the Jack Russell Terrier type not Australia. The Jack Russell Terrier in Australia and the FCI Jack Russell Terrier in Europe is maintained as a distinctly separate breed from the AKC Parson Russell Terrier, the “JRTCA” Jack Russell Terrier in the US and the Jack Russell Terrier in England.
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http://www.shortjackrussell.com/FAQ.html
February 4th, 2009 at 10:43 am
That's a tricky question. The AKC name was officially changed from "Jack Russell" terrier to "Parson Russell" terrier a few years ago. However, not being active in this breed I am not sure what the reason for this was. "Russel" terrier is listed on the AKC website as a breed using the foundation stud service, meaning they are working towards breed recognition, but this is a variation of the parson russell terrier that developed separately from the "jack russell" or "parson russell" terriers in the UK and US so it does not seem to be the same breed going by a different name but rather a closely related breed that was developed simultaneously from the same original breeding stock.
To make a long answer short, it's a gray area. When talking to most pet owners and pet professionals such as vets or groomers I would say that it is safe to assume that "jack russell" and "parson russell" are interchangeable terms. But I would advise not using them interchangeably when talking to people who show their dogs as you are very likely to offend them.
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February 4th, 2009 at 11:11 am
No, the AKC does not recognize them. They aren’t the same as Parsons, either.
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February 4th, 2009 at 11:51 am
The two are in fact the same breed. The only difference is the name and that is the only reason why their are now two distinct breed clubs.
The man responsible for this breed was the Reverend (Parson) John Russell.
The common short or nick name for John is “Jack” which is where the term Jack Russell Terrier came from. The original Parson John Russell Terrier stood between 10 and 15 inches. Came in 3 separate coats from smooth, wirehaired and coarse. These days the Parson has a preferred height limit of 14″ for males 13″ for females.
Far too many people are quick to claim there are two breeds but there is nothing outside of the name and the lawsuit regarding the name as the only reason for the breed to be split into 2 separate breeds when in fact they are the same breed.
Simply put, call it what you want but the actual breed name is Parson “John” Russell Terrier but referring to it as a JRT or Jack Russell Terrier is acceptable and in no way diminishes the breed.
AKC no longer recognizes the JRT Jack Russell Terrier but does recognize the Parson. For obvious reasons, such as giving credit to the man who actually created the breed such as referring to the Doberman Pinscher by the name of its creator.
The complaints all come from those who insist theirs is the real thing and not wanting to acknowledge that the other is also the real thing.
Fact is the groups need to get their acts together and give proper credit where it is due.
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Former breeder over 48 years, Miniature Pinschers. Currently owned by 12 along with 3 Papillons, 2 Italian Greyhounds and 1 German Pinscher.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Hi! I've owned, shown, worked, and studied Jack Russell Terriers… and have been doing so for 9, nearly 10, years… so I think I can answer your question.
First, I'd like to say something to someone..
"Simply put, call it what you want but the actual breed name is Parson "John" Russell Terrier but referring to it as a JRT or Jack Russell Terrier is acceptable and in no way diminishes the breed.
AKC no longer recognizes the JRT Jack Russell Terrier but does recognize the Parson. For obvious reasons, such as giving credit to the man who actually created the breed such as referring to the Doberman Pinscher by the name of its creator.
The complaints all come from those who insist theirs is the real thing and not wanting to acknowledge that the other is also the real thing.
Fact is the groups need to get their acts together and give proper credit where it is due. "
Yogi, A long time ago they were called the Parson Jack Russell Terrier, never the Parson John Russell Terrier. By us JRTCA members calling the Jrt the Jack Russell Terrier, we are giving credit to the man who created the breed. Reverend Parson John Russell. (Parson means reverend.) John Russell was called Jack by friends.. and so.. the name was also adopted for the terries he bred.
So actually, we are giving proper credit where credit is due. Whereas the AKC is basically calling the Prt "Reverend" Russell Terrier.
As for the question in its self. They are, but aren't the same. Jrts are not recognized by the AKC (thank God.) They originated from the same lines. Originally bred by the same man.. etc. etc. etc. The only real differences are that the AKC recognizes the PRT, and the JRTCA recognizes the JRT. The AKC is basically ruining another good breed.. for show purposes. While the JRTCA's goal is to keep the working interests of the JRT alive.
If you want a working terrier that can do what it was bred to do (and show in the JRTCA as well.).. I suggest you get a JRTCA Jrt.
If you want a pretty show pooch that can most likely not do what it was bred to do, get a PRT from the AKC.
I'm sure you'll get a lot of answers contradicting mine, of course… but I have first hand experience. What of them? I'm sure you'll get answers from people who have bred longer than we have… but did they breed Jrts? Or Prts for that matter? Or some other breed? I've near 10 years experience with Jrts in owning, showing, working, and studying them too..
When the AKC tried to recognize the JRT, the JRTCA would NOT allow this. Why? Because they knew that the AKC would most likely ruin this breed as well… like a lot of others. They wanted the JRT to still be able to do what it was bred to do, whereas the AKC really only cared for pretty pooches. Mind you, sure.. there are a few PRTAA breeders who actually care about working instinct and ability… but not many. Not many at all.
One of my bitches, Rebel Yelp Storm… is a Bronze Medallion(the highest hunting award a dog can receive.) In other words, a hunting champion. She has gotten a National Hunting Certificate for 3 different Quarry. She is 1 out of 2 Bronze Medallion Bitches in Texas. And 1 out of 6 Bronze Medallion Jrts in Texas.. (last time I checked.) I feel very privileged to own her.
Even though Storm has earned her Bronze Medallion.. and can work better than a lot of PRTS out there… she is 1/4 of an inch too short to be registered to the AKC. So according to the AKC, she's just not a good example of a Jrt… because she's just too short. Ah well, I honestly don't care.. I wouldn't register any of my dogs there anyways.
And.. here's some quotes from a book written by Patrick Burns:
"Sometime in the late 1990s, following the appearance of Jack Russell Terriers in a host of TV and Hollywood productions ranging from "Wishbone" and "Frasier" to "My Dog Skip" and "The Mask," the American Kennel Club decided to add the Jack Russell Terrier to its roles.
As they previously had done with the Border Collie, the AKC ignored the strong and vocal opposition of the large existing breed club, and quietly assembled a covey of show-ring breeders to serve as the nuceleus of a new AKC-friendly breed club.
The "Jack Russell Terrier Breeders Association" (later called the Jack Russell Terrier Association of America, and now called the "Parson Russell Terrier Association of America") petitioned for the admission of the Jack Russell Terrier into the Kennel Club and, despite the objections of the JRTCA, the breed was admitted in January of 2001.
The admission of the Jack Russell Terrier into the American Kennel Club was a contentious affair, with the JRTCA standing firm on its long-held rule that no dog could be dual-registered.
What this meant is that breeders had to chose whether to remain in the JRTCA or to "get in early" with the AKC in order to get their dogs registered before the breed registry closed.
Some of the breeders that chose the AKC did so because they thought they could then sell their puppies for more money, others were eager to be "big fish in a small pond" at the beginning of a new AKC-registered breed. Still others were anxious to attend more dog shows and performance events, arguing that individual dogs were the same no matter under whose auspices they were registered.
On this last point, those pushing for dual registration were correct as narrowly defined, but wrong in every way that matter.
While it is true that individual dogs were not changed by admission to the Kennel Club, the AKC goal — right from the beginning — was to get rid of the wide sweep of variation that existed in the working world of Jack Russell Terriers.
Towards that end, the American Kennel Club breed standard stipulated that an AKC Jack Russell Terrier could not be under 12 inches in height or over 15 inches in height, and that was the "ideal" dog was 14 inches tall and the ideal bitch was 13 inches tall. Ironically, this breed description effectively eliminated about 40 percent of all the American Jack Russell terriers that had worked red fox up to that time!
More importantly, this narrow standard eliminated the small dogs necessary to "size down" a breed - something absolutely necessary in order to keep working terriers small enough to work.
Of course, the American Kennel Club has never been interested in working terriers, and the breed club they created has shown no interest in work either.
Under pressure from the working Jack Russell Terrier community in England and the U.S., the British and American Kennel Clubs eventually decided to jettison the "Jack Russell terrier" name to more easily identify the non-working show dog they favored.
Now called the "Parson Russell Terrier," the AKC dog is quickly getting too big in the chest to work - not that many of the dogs are actually taken out into the field to try.
After just three years in the Kennel Club, the "Parson Russell Terrier Club" tried to modify the show ring standard so that the AKC dog no longer had to be spanned at all. Though this move was defeated, it was an early and ominous sign that the Parson Russell Terrier is morel likely to end up as a show ring dog than the honest hunting dog from which it is derived."
"The fact that chest spain is given such a short shrift in the show ring is hardly surprising when one considers that many people think a dog has proven its worth if it can merely shove its head and shoulders into a den entrance.
In fact, a true working dog should be able to enter a fox or groundhog sette and negotiate the entire pipe - from main entrance to bolt hole - without having to be dug out of the ground. In a natural earth this den pipe will be 15 to 40 feet long and will rise and fall, twist and contract, challenging the dog at every turn.
A dog that routinely fails this challenge is not a useful dog. In fact, hunting with a large dog that cannot get past the first turn is nearly impossible, as it requires a team of diggers to sink a new hole whenever the tunnel changes direction, and in the end you may end up excavating the entire length of the den.
A large dog in a small hole is also a danger to himself.
A terrier that has to dig hard in order to move up a tunnel is a dog who has to push dirt behind it in order to make progress. As earth is shoved to the rear; a dirt wall can easily form just behind the dog, "bottling" it off from its air supply. Because a digging dog is working hard and breathing hard (as is the quarry) asphyxiation underground is a very real possibility.
A small dog on the other hand can simply scoot over the dirt mounds and around constrictions and obstacles. Not only will such a dog face the quarry with more energy and more air, it will also have room to maneuver to avoid a bite and force a bolt. A large dog, on the other hand, may find itself face to face with the quarry, jammed tight in the pipe, already tired, and with dwindling air supply. Only tragedy can come out of such a situation.
Sadly, oversized terriers are now so common that a vernacular has been created to dress up the ugliness of it: "hole dogs" and "pull dogs"
What is a pull dog?
A pull dog is a terrier that is too big to easily go to ground."
Yeah, that was majorly long. But, it speaks the truth.
Jack Russell Terriers and Parson Russell Terriers look about the same now.. But in the long run, the majority of Prts will no longer be able to work.
Quote from http://www.jrtca.com:
"…and the terrier we know of today as the Jack Russell is much the same as the pre-1900 fox terrier. The Jack Russell has survived the changes that have occurred in the modern-day Fox Terrier because it has been pr
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I've owned, shown, worked, and studied Jack Russell Terriers for nearly 10 years now.
I am a member of the JRTCA.
-owned and operated by 6 Jrts, currently.-
I've read tons of books about Jack Russell Terriers..
I've also researched many websites about them online.. (most important being http://www.jrtca.com)
I've learned from, talked to, and hunted with some of the best and well-known breeders in the United States, the UK, and Canada.
I live and dream Jack Russell Terriers.